Torn lower ball joints and torn tie rods

One year and 3 months ago (8/15; 187329 miles) the local Nissan Dealership explained my Driver and Passenger Side Lower Ball Joints were starting to crack, and the Driver and Passenger Side Tie Rods were starting to crack.

Less than a year later (4/16; 203103 miles) I had the car at the local AAMCO, and had them replace (per their reccommendation) the Tie Rod Boots and Lower Ball Joint Boots.

Today (11/16; 218200 miles), the Nissan dealership is still reccommending to replace the Lower Ball Joints and Tie Rods.

My questions are:
What work did AAMCO perform for me to benefit my car if the L

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Hi there. Unfortunately, diagnosing what type of service may have been performed by a different mechanic without physically inspecting the vehicle is difficult, as is knowing how long your vehicle can be driven with worn out ball joints and tie rods. The problem with worn out suspension parts is that they can fail and break, which can cause an unsafe driving situation.

It might be a better idea to have a professional mechanic, such as one from YourMechanic, come to your location to inspect all the front end components for damage and give you an idea as to how much longer you can drive your vehicle before you must replace the damaged parts or buy a new vehicle.

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No. You should not drive with a bad ball joint. Continuing to drive can cause damage to other vehicle components and if the joint fails completely you could lose control of the vehicle, leading to a crash and injuries.
A broken ball joint may be the cause of a mysterious clunking noise or drifting steering. And once they`re worn, they will seriously affect your steering and suspension. If a ball joint fails completely, it can even result in the wheel dramatically falling off the car.
Typically, it costs around $185 to $305 in total, with the new tie rod part costing about $40 to $120 and labor costing around $145 to $185. However, cost estimates can vary from vehicle to vehicle as well as based on which tie rod needs replacement. Tie rods have two parts — the inner tie rod and the outer tie rod.
A ball joint is connected to the top and bottom of the spindle, while the tie rod end connects to the spindle and controls its pivot which allows vehicle to be steered.
When you hit a pothole, the steering knuckle can bend and cause problems with the wheel alignment, and the ball joint can break or rupture.
You can typically continue to drive your vehicle on a worn tie rod, but if it fails completely, you`ll lose steering control and will likely need a tow to get you back home or to our service center for a repair.
Ball joints typically last 70,000 to 150,000 miles depending on their usage and road conditions. Clunking noises, poor handling, pulling, and abnormal wearing of your tires are all signs of a worn ball joint. If you see uneven tread wear patterns on your tire, you should have your ball joints checked.
Ball joints are not always an easy replacement, but a DIYer who is versed in changing suspension and brake components will probably be able to tackle the job.
Sound — Usually the first indication of worn or loose ball joints will be a faint, intermittent clunking noise that seems to be coming from a corner of your vehicle. The sound may be more pronounced when going over a bump or a dip or when going around a corner.
While some suspension work is best left to the pros, tie rods are easily replaceable on most vehicles. Signs that you need to replace your tie rods include: front-end shimmy.
Tie rods can last for several years. In fact, you may never have to replace your tie rods. The conditions you drive in play a large role in the lifespan of tie rods.
The impact of a severe pothole can bend the control arm. This destabilizes your steering wheel`s center and affects how it reacts. It also causes uneven wear and tear of your tires.
A bad tie rod actually means that the tie rod ends are damaged or loose and the first symptoms might be a loose steering wheel or a clunking, clicking sound from the front end.
In the worst case scenario when a tie rod completely fails, the wheel will break free of the steering assembly which then causes the vehicle to lose the ability to steer. At the first sign of any wear to the tie rods, steering is already at risk and the vehicle is not safe to drive.
What causes a tie rod to break or go bad? Tie rods can go bad due to normal wear and tear and harsh road conditions. Often times the cause of tie rod failure is the lack of lubrication. Road hazards like potholes, bumps in the road or hitting the curb too hard can shorten the life of tie rod ends.
For driver safety, MOOG recommends that a `press-in` ball joint is only replaced on one occasion and that any subsequent repair should use a fully assembled wishbone arm.
The ball joint allows each wheel to move side to side and up and down with more versatility. Over time with many miles, these ball joints can get lose and eventually break or fall out. If this happens out on the open road, the suspension can come apart and you`ll lose control of the vehicle.
Replacing ball joints can be a job that varies a lot depending on the make and model of the car. In general, you will need to have some skills and knowledge to conduct this intermediate job on your own.
Ball joints typically cannot be replaced separately, so the entire control arm needs to be replaced. The ball joints are critical to vehicle alignment, so these control arms should also be replaced in pairs.
Can A Bad Ball Joint Cause Shaking When Braking? A. Yes, it can. A bad ball joint would cause slight vibrations, especially if you`re braking from high speeds.
Worn-out ball joints may also start to make a grinding noise while you`re going down the road. Cars can make a variety of grinding noises, and it can be difficult to tell which ones may be coming from your ball joints, which may have other causes.
A damaged tie rod can cause uneven or excessive tire wear. Do a visual inspection of your tires; if they display excessive wear on one side but not as much wear on the other side, it may be a sign of a failing tie rod. If the tire wear is even, that is a good indication that the tie rods are working properly.
Tie rods can last for years and years and some car owners may never have to replace them at all, but their longevity can be affected by certain driving conditions. Driving obstacles like potholes, poor road conditions or even minor accidents can cause tie rods to work incorrectly.
Cars will typically have two tie rod ends on each side: one inner tie rod end and one outer tie rod end — four total with a set of two per side.

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Torn lower ball joints and torn tie rods – 2006 Nissan Sentra
ANSWER : Hi there. Unfortunately, diagnosing what type of service may have been performed by a different mechanic without physically inspecting the vehicle is difficult, as is knowing how long your vehicle can be driven with worn out ball joints and tie rods. The problem with worn out suspension parts is that they can fail and break, which can cause an unsafe driving situation.

It might be a better idea to have a professional mechanic, such as one from YourMechanic, come to your location to inspect all the front end components for damage and give you an idea as to how much longer you can drive your vehicle before you must replace the damaged parts or buy a new vehicle.

I’ve replaced everything from tie rods, upper and lower ball joints, the whole cv axle including cv joints and boots, and I’m stil
ANSWER : Hello, thank you for writing in. The noise you are hearing may be a result of a wheel bearing or a shock issue. There are several tests that can be done while the vehicle is parked, and some while it is lifted off of the ground. The goal is to manipulate the wheels and suspension to replicate the noise. Try a simple bounce test for example to test out the shock on each tire. This is done by simply pressing down on the corner of the vehicle forcing it to bounce up and down. If you hear the noise, focus on your shocks. If not, you can move on to the wheel assembly. For more help with diagnostics or repairs, contact our service department to schedule an appointment.

Experiencing a knocking noise while I’m decreasing speed on the highway. I have examined the up&lower ball joints, tire rods, axle
ANSWER : Hello, thank you for writing in. Inspecting the suspension and steering components was a great idea. Did you perform a visual inspection, or did you actually raise the vehicle and maneuver the parts to check for excess play? However the brakes and the drive shaft can both causing a clunking noise when coming to a stop. Attempt to replicate the noise while backing up. If the brakes are of a concern, you will likely hear it in both directions. Something like your drive shaft may not be heard while backing up. Most of these components can be tested while on the vehicle, but you may need a hand. For more diagnostic help, contact our service department.

I replaced the lower ball joint, but when I try to tighten the nut, the ball joint stud just turns
ANSWER : A lot of times, when you’re installing a ball joint into the lower control arm and trying to tighten the nut to lock in the ball joint shaft, the shaft will spin if you do not have enough pressure on the lower control arm. You will need to use a jack under the control arm as close to the ball joint as possible to push up on the joint so that the weight of the vehicle pushes the ball joint tight; then you should be able to tighten it. Make sure when using a jack under the lower control arm that you keep the vehicle supported with jack stands. If you need any professional assistance with this repair, you can always contact a certified technician, such as one from YourMechanic.

Is the lower ball joint on the driver’s side fixed as one part with suspension arm or detachable?
ANSWER : Hello. The ball joint is available separately, and as part of the control arm assembly as you note. Although it can be purchased separately, removing it and replacing it into the control arm requires heavy duty presses and tooling (great force required). And if the control arm is aluminum, it is a more risky process since the aluminum is softer than steel, and the remove/replace process may not result in the ball joint fitting as tightly in the control arm as would be safe. For the mechanic, sometimes the separate ball joint is not readily available, only the control arm with ball joint. And the labor time to press out the old, press in the new may result in a more expensive repair anyway because of the additional labor cost. It’s a toss up sometimes, especially with parts availability being a deciding factor.

Ball joints and tie rod replacement
ANSWER : The front end suspension of a modern car has to be "tight" in order to be safe, work properly and, indeed, even to be aligned properly. If the ball joints and tie rod ends are loose, that means your tires are wearing out prematurely and there is also a risk of a sudden separation (breakage) of a suspension part. So, basically, anytime loose or worn out suspension parts are identified, they have to be replaced, all of them. There are no optional, or superfluous, parts when it comes to the front end. Either it’s in good repair or it isn’t. If you desire that these parts be professionally replaced on a mobile basis, at your location, thus saving you money, I recommend that you simply request ball joint replacement as well as tie rod end replacement. The responding certified mechanic will of course first confirm that the parts are no longer serviceable and then the mechanic will let you know if it is possible to replace just the ball joint or if the whole control arm assembly has to be replaced.

when replacing lower ball joints, when to install grease boot?,as pressing new ball joint in place or after?
ANSWER : You install the boot after pressing the ball joint. Press the joint, install the snap ring, then install the boot. There is a metal ring molded in the boot. You will have to tap it on. I use one of the adapters from the press tool to do this.

If you feel like you need help with the installation, feel free to contact a certified technician who can ensure a proper installation by replacing your ball joints at your own convenience.

I replaced my balljoints upper and lower on both sides but now the ball joints don’t sit against the control arms
ANSWER : Hello, and thank you for writing in. Without having the vehicle to inspect, it is difficult to tell. The assembly of the hub and control arms to the ball joints can be difficult, and making sure it goes back exact is critical. There was likely a mistake made when reassembling the components. The replacement could have also been a mismatch depending on where you got it from. Without taking it in, or having us out to inspect it, you should start by taking wheel and rotor back off, and giving it a full visual inspection, of not attempting to realign it. Make sure you are following torque specifications on the repair as well. For more help, contact our service department to schedule an appointment.